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Re: 2019 Trade Week

Postby Fat Side on Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:47 pm

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MrWoollie wrote:Geelong and the Muppets have made out like bandits in this trade period. Talk about paying stupid prices for players. Not sure who was dumber, us or St Kilda.

Oh, the Saints for sure, that's a stupid trade for somebody who's not even that good. Hill's a very good player, but not great.
The Irony is that Acres is about where Hill was when they got him from the Hawks. 23~24 starting to come into his prime.
Acres has a lot of upside and could still become a very good player.
If you value him at around the same as say Langdon, then the Saints have paid ~3,000 points for Hill, almost what we paid for Kelly.

The Feral Cats have also made out like bandits, getting Steven and Jenkins for the proverbial bag of crisps.


According to reports Hill is getting paid more than Kelly.
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Re: 2019 Trade Week

Postby Crazy Dazz on Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:43 pm

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MrWoollie wrote:Geelong and the Muppets have made out like bandits in this trade period. Talk about paying stupid prices for players. Not sure who was dumber, us or St Kilda.

Oh, the Saints for sure, that's a stupid trade for somebody who's not even that good. Hill's a very good player, but not great.
The Irony is that Acres is about where Hill was when they got him from the Hawks. 23~24 starting to come into his prime.
Acres has a lot of upside and could still become a very good player.
If you value him at around the same as say Langdon, then the Saints have paid ~3,000 points for Hill, almost what we paid for Kelly.

The Feral Cats have also made out like bandits, getting Steven and Jenkins for the proverbial bag of crisps.


According to reports Hill is getting paid more than Kelly.

Yep, crazy isn't it.
I guess the Saints were prepared to offer stupid money to Coniglio, so Hill was the next best thing.
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Re: 2019 Trade Week

Postby Crazy Dazz on Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:25 pm

well the trading of players is over for another year, but the trading of picks continues, right up until the draft itself.

I wonder if we can get permission from the AFL to trade away our next year's later picks? Surely if we are simply trading them for current years picks that would be acceptable?

I suspect that we will now see a few more players delisted from some teams. Brisbane haven't delisted anyone yet. Geelong and GC have pretty full lists. I'm still hopefull we can improve our pick a bit, but clutching at straws now. It's shaping as a boring draft for us.

Two weeks now till the first list lodgement.
During that time there will be delistings, pick swaps, and the various international and alternate talent signings, and F/S plus academy nominations. Interesting to see if we trying any more Basketballers, or nominate nay NGA prospects.
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Re: 2019 Trade Week

Postby Streaker on Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:46 pm

This is the 2020 draft according to Lore from Bigfooty. Not looking good for us.

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Re: 2019 Trade Week

Postby Crazy Dazz on Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:06 pm

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Crazy Dazz wrote:There could be some interesting trades going around...
GWS have two 1st rounders, #12 and #18. But they will be expecting Green to be bid on early, effectively decimating those picks.
They will be looking to do a trade with Melbourne, who are open to moving backwards in the first round.
That way not only do they get a great pick, but they can then take Green for nothing but debt. (Or they will then do profitable trades to get late picks in exchange for a future 1st rounder.)
#12 + #18 are roughly equivalent in value to #2, but Melbourne will want a sweetener to move backwards.

Mykidsdad wrote:Saints have traded pick 6. Dockers wanted that for Hill, they would not be happy. :D

The Giants parted with picks No.12 and No.18 to secure pick No.6 from the Saints, also receiving pick No.59 as part of the deal

I predicted they would try to do a deal with Melbourne, but this one is extremely risky.
They have paid way over the money for pick 6, and that still leaves them at risk. Especially since Sydney are still holding pick #5 and are almost certain to bid on Green.
I can only think that they have already lined up a trade with Melbourne or Adelaide...

Well this bizarre and stupid trade continues to haunt GWS.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-10-17/giants-still-hunting-for-topfive-pick-despite-trade-period-lockout
I guess that's the problem with trying to do something in increments, without having firstly aligned all the ducks. They wasted a substantial premium in points to get St Kilda's pick, and are now stuffed. They are desperately trying to do a deal with Melbourne, when they should have simply targeted Melbourne directly or at worst tried to do it in one multiclub deal.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Clarke Markx Goalz on Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:24 pm

GWS future picks would be worth having. Most clubs that get smashed in the GF have tough follow up years. They will be expected to be high picks on this year's ladder.

Also pick 4 is equivalent to 6 and 40 by worth, but Adelaide have 5 second or early third round picks. They won't want the 40.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Streaker on Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:51 pm

Our best bet to get a better pick than 91 (our 2nd) which should turn into about 75, is to trade next years pick 53 for Brisbanes 52 this year.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Crazy Dazz on Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:44 pm

Streaker wrote:Our best bet to get a better pick than 91 (our 2nd) which should turn into about 75, is to trade next years pick 53 for Brisbanes 52 this year.

Are we allowed to trade to get our own pick back?
I wouldn't mind seeing us package up pick 46, and Geelong's 3rd rounder from 2020, and try to get further down into the draft. Potentially chase down pick 33??
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Streaker on Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:25 am

Still think we should trade next years 53 for this years 52 which they won't use anyway or even 48 if we can. Could get us Trey Ruscoe, Riley Garcia, Mitch Georgiades, Callum Jamieson or Jaxon Prior

Brisbane Lions:
2019 senior list: 40
Outgoings: 9 (Hodge retired; Robertson, Keays, Walker, C. Lyons*, Skinner*, Smith* delisted; Taylor, Cutler traded)
Incomings: 5 (Ellis-Yolmen, Birchall FA; Ah Chee traded; McInerney, Hinge upgraded)
Live picks: 4 (16, 21, 34, 48, 52, 55)
Expect to use 4 picks

West Coast:
2019 senior list: 39
Outgoings: 3 (Masten, Mutimer, M. Allen delisted)
Incomings: 2 (Kelly traded, Watson upgraded)
Live picks: 2 (46, 91, 108)
Expect to use 2 picks
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Crazy Dazz on Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:04 pm

Streaker wrote:Still think we should trade next years 53 for this years 52 which they won't use anyway or even 48 if we can. Could get us Trey Ruscoe, Riley Garcia, Mitch Georgiades, Callum Jamieson or Jaxon Prior

Brisbane Lions:
2019 senior list: 40
Outgoings: 9 (Hodge retired; Robertson, Keays, Walker, C. Lyons*, Skinner*, Smith* delisted; Taylor, Cutler traded)
Incomings: 5 (Ellis-Yolmen, Birchall FA; Ah Chee traded; McInerney, Hinge upgraded)
Live picks: 4 (16, 21, 34, 48, 52, 55)
Expect to use 4 picks

West Coast:
2019 senior list: 39
Outgoings: 3 (Masten, Mutimer, M. Allen delisted)
Incomings: 2 (Kelly traded, Watson upgraded)
Live picks: 2 (46, 91, 108)
Expect to use 2 picks
Ok, I agree with you.
Which clubs have Academy or F/S players expected to be bid on? Those clubs might be chasing chasing points from clubs like Brisbane with extra picks?
There may also be other clubs looking to improve their late picks.
But the other point is that there should also be clubs with excess picks in the 60's & 70s. Not great, but better than 91, albeit 91 will come in anyway with passes.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Perrythegreat on Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:05 am

Depends where 91 ends up, though.

If it is low 70s, is it worth trading up? By then, there are plenty of players that are "roughies" and I'm not sure trading to the 50s is worth it.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Crazy Dazz on Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:30 pm

Streaker wrote:Still think we should trade next years 53 for this years 52 which they won't use anyway or even 48 if we can.

Still waiting to see what will happen.

When we traded our two late picks for one not so late, I assumed that meant we were only going after one "regular" draftee.
Now I'm not sure what we're doing?
Trading pick 64 back to pick 91 is nuts if we intend to use it on a live pick.

If, as you suggest, we can swap that Geelong 3rd rounder for something this year, then that would make some sense of it.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Fat Side on Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:21 am

Crazy Dazz wrote:
Streaker wrote:Still think we should trade next years 53 for this years 52 which they won't use anyway or even 48 if we can.

Still waiting to see what will happen.

When we traded our two late picks for one not so late, I assumed that meant we were only going after one "regular" draftee.
Now I'm not sure what we're doing?
Trading pick 64 back to pick 91 is nuts if we intend to use it on a live pick.

If, as you suggest, we can swap that Geelong 3rd rounder for something this year, then that would make some sense of it.


Recruiters probably felt that 64 may remain 64 whereas 91 will become around 75. The difference is worth upgrading 52 to 46.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Streaker on Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:13 pm

Streaker wrote:Our best bet to get a better pick than 91 (our 2nd) which should turn into about 75, is to trade next years pick 53 for Brisbanes 52 this year.


Brisbane traded that pick to Port.
The Power have moved picks 29, 71 and a future-first round selection to the Lions and received picks 16, 52, 55 and 72.

Best bet is to now trade the same pick with Port or our 2020 pick 50 for Port 2019 picks 52 and 55 this year as the only way of us getting a better deal. That would give Port the opportunity to combine 2020 picks 42, 46 and our 53 for a decent pick in the 30s next year. The other 2 options are to trade 2020 pick 53 for Hawthorns 2019 pick 54 or 2020 pick 50 for North Melbournes 2019 pick 50. Still not sure how many players we'll take in the draft now they've delisted AhChee and Brayshaw.
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Re: 2019 Trade Period

Postby Crazy Dazz on Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:41 pm

Streaker wrote:
Streaker wrote:Our best bet to get a better pick than 91 (our 2nd) which should turn into about 75, is to trade next years pick 53 for Brisbanes 52 this year.


Brisbane traded that pick to Port.
The Power have moved picks 29, 71 and a future-first round selection to the Lions and received picks 16, 52, 55 and 72.

Best bet is to now trade the same pick with Port or our 2020 pick 50 for Port 2019 picks 52 and 55 this year as the only way of us getting a better deal. That would give Port the opportunity to combine 2020 picks 42, 46 and our 53 for a decent pick in the 30s next year. The other 2 options are to trade 2020 pick 53 for Hawthorns 2019 pick 54 or 2020 pick 50 for North Melbournes 2019 pick 50. Still not sure how many players we'll take in the draft now they've delisted AhChee and Brayshaw.

We can trade Geelong's 3rd rounder from next year, but we can't trade any (more) of our next years picks. teams can only trade their 1st rounder, OR others, not both.

We can ask the AFL for permission to trade more (ROFL) but I would only do that to get back into the meat of this draft, which seems unlikely.
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