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2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Pinion King on Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:43 pm

Fair Bump Play On wrote:Welcome to Witherden. Reckon he'll be pretty happy he has made the move, just like Yeo and Redden, hopefully at least as good.

No interest at all with West Coast now having pick 62, 86, 91.

Maybe a father son pick on the way?

No one still knows list sizes.

Possibly a few mature or roughies from the WAFL.

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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Pinion King on Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:45 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Crazy Dazz on Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:51 pm

Fair Bump Play On wrote:No interest at all with West Coast now having pick 62, 86, 91.
Maybe a father son pick on the way?
Can't think of anyone.

At this stage we don't know the list sizes, or whatever concessions will be in place for this draft.
The rules say must take 3 picks (including rookie upgrades) but you can also only take picks you have places for. If the list size is reduced, clubs may only be able to take one or two picks.

I'm surprised about our 2nd round pick, but clearly we didn't like the looks of the couple of boys likely to be available around that pick. In addition to being academy compromised, covid effected, and generally weaker, this draft is also heavy on KPP talent, which is the last thing we need.
Could also be that there's an U17 star we have our eye on, and we're loading up to improve our 1st round pick next year.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Mykidsdad on Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:04 pm

Fair Bump Play On wrote:Welcome to Witherden. Reckon he'll be pretty happy he has made the move, just like Yeo and Redden, hopefully at least as good.

No interest at all with West Coast now having pick 62, 86, 91.

Maybe a father son pick on the way?



That is a steal
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Streaker on Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:29 pm

List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

Don't have to take 3 picks in draft this year, only one.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Pinion King on Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:33 pm

Streaker wrote:List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

It has been how many main list and how many rookies that is the sticking point.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Crazy Dazz on Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:11 pm

Brisbane betting the farm that Melbourne will suck next year.
On the face of it, seems lop-sided. They have given up two first rounders and their 2nd rounder from next year, in return for Melbourne's 2021 1st rounder, a decent 2nd rounder, and a couple of late 3rds.
But those 1st rounders, which IIRC are theirs and Ports, are quite late. If Melbourne do poorly mext year, this could net them a very nice top 10 pick.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Streaker on Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:16 pm

Pinion King wrote:
Streaker wrote:List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

It has been how many main list and how many rookies that is the sticking point.


The AFL will cut list sizes to a maximum of 44 and a minimum of 37 next year, according to The Age. This is a cut of two to the primary list and one to the total rookie numbers.

The plan for 2021 sees the maximum number of listed players contingent on how many rookies a side has, with the total not being allowed to exceed 44, including Category A and Category B rookies.

Last year the AFL had a maximum of 40 on the main list. This means this years Maximum on the main list is 38 with up to 6 Rookies including Cat A and B.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Streaker on Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:22 pm

With Jetta and Hutchings still on the list we have 37 players with Harry's upgrade. Ah Chee would have dropped back to a Rookie at the end of the year
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Clarke Markx Goalz on Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:06 pm

Only 65 picks taken last year. I can't see them taking anyone. All the scouts are on jobkeeper. Most likely to keep most of the list and wait for next year
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Crazy Dazz on Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:24 pm

Streaker wrote:
Pinion King wrote:
Streaker wrote:List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

It has been how many main list and how many rookies that is the sticking point.


The AFL will cut list sizes to a maximum of 44 and a minimum of 37 next year, according to The Age. This is a cut of two to the primary list and one to the total rookie numbers.

The plan for 2021 sees the maximum number of listed players contingent on how many rookies a side has, with the total not being allowed to exceed 44, including Category A and Category B rookies.

Last year the AFL had a maximum of 40 on the main list. This means this years Maximum on the main list is 38 with up to 6 Rookies including Cat A and B.

Everybody and his dog has been reporting a different number.
I'll believe it when the AFL confirms it.

But obviously there will be SOME cuts, and that will impact the number of picks to be taken.

Keep in mind that trading of picks can continue, right up to and including the draft itself.
We could still trade away that remaining 3rd round pick for something next year, or we could surprise everyone, do a reversal, and trade back into thei years. Wait and See.

I'd suggest that now we've gotten the targets that needed a trade (and moved Hickey on) we will re-assess. (As will every club) there may well still be some roughies, that we aim to pick up either as DFAs, or with rubbish picks if we need to use them.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Fat Side on Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:31 am

Streaker wrote:List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

Don't have to take 3 picks in draft this year, only one.


This means our late picks could be much earlier. Our 62 could become around 50 and our 86 could become mid 50s.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Crazy Dazz on Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:03 pm

Fat Side wrote:
Streaker wrote:List sizes are a minimum of 37 and max of 44 including rookies.

Don't have to take 3 picks in draft this year, only one.


This means our late picks could be much earlier. Our 62 could become around 50 and our 86 could become mid 50s.

It's the interesting conundrum with the "compromised" draft.
On the one hand, a lot of the top talent is already off the table,
it also means that early to mid picks get pushed back because the AFL allows teams to trade way their good picks, then buy their way back in,
but that also means that they use multiple late picks to buy a single player, so late picks actually get sucked back down.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Crazy Dazz on Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:52 pm

Streaker wrote:I'm hoping we rookie 1 young experienced player from another team and then 4 untried rookies rather than rehashing someone like ahChee. Let the draft team have a go at finding that diamond in the rough.

I'd like

Riley Stoddart from the Sydney Swans
Michael Mallard from West Perth
Malachy Carruthers from Sturt
James Rowe from Woodville-West Torrens

It will be interesting to see who is delisted in the coming days and weeks, and of course what the final list-sizes are.
And there have already been a few.
There are a couple of youngish WA boys I wouldn't mind has having a look at if they are delisted. Cox, Narkle, etc.
And th beauty is that as DFAs, clubs have the option of simply signing them up.
Keep in mind that thesse guys are, by definition, cast-offs, and have already failed in their attempt at an AFL career, but I wouldn't mind us having a crack at a few, subject to the following:
Guys who are in the mid-twenties and already have 5 years on an AFL list = hard pass.
Guys whose bodies are clearly not up to AFL and cant go more than a few weeks without an injury = hard pass.
Guys whose biggest problem is their attitude and lack of motivation = hard pass.
They get a one year deal, and if they don't show dramatic improvement in that time, they're back out the door.
No effing plodders, we need to inject some space.
No more "he's too slow and clumsy to be a mid so lets call him a forward" types.
No more "project" players. Someone you invest 4 years of development into, for a handfull of games, just isn't worth it.

And in summary, it's ok to buy a slikpik in the powerball jackpot, but when it doesn't win, throw it out.
So maybe you roll the dice on say 4 players, I'm all for it.
But in their 1st year on our list, we should see the most dramatic improvement ever. At no other point is there as much scope for change. If it doesn't happen, ditch them, and try another batch.
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Re: 2020: Trade-Targets, Free Agents, Rookies & Roughies

Postby Mr Q on Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:56 pm

Crazy Dazz wrote:But in their 1st year on our list, we should see the most dramatic improvement ever.


The problem is that there's always exceptions to this: see J.McGovern.
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