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List Reductions

Postby Crazy Dazz on Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:33 pm

To me, the fact they're even talking about it, shows just how far up their arses the VFL have their heads.

The VFL has squandered hundreds of millions of dollars, if not actual billions, on their failed experiments. And on their insistence on propping up unviable Melbourne teams.

They should have had money put aside for this.

In the medium term, the only clubs with a real problem are the aforementioned basketcases. So either let them fold/merge, or continue bailing them out.

Either way, cutting lists is not going to save much money, and will simply fuck up the competition even more.
By definition, the players you cut will be ones on the league minimum, whatever that is after the salary cuts. That's going to be 3/5's of sfa.

It is the ultimate bastard act, since (again by definition) you fuck over the most vulnerable players.

It's fundamentally unmanageable. Since there are going to be players who should go, but have a year to run on their contracts. What then?

Then, just sit back and wait for the class action, alleging restraint of trade, and watch the court throw the whole system out the window.

To make any reasonable difference, you'll have to cut several, and that's going to seriously threaten some lists when injuries hit.
We have not been badly hit, not compared to say 2017, yet recently we had only 6 or 7 players available for a scrimmage. Take those away, and suddenly you're struggling to field a team.

And of course, you're fucking with the future of the league.
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Re: List Reductions

Postby Fat Side on Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:57 pm

Crazy Dazz wrote:To me, the fact they're even talking about it, shows just how far up their arses the VFL have their heads.

The VFL has squandered hundreds of millions of dollars, if not actual billions, on their failed experiments. And on their insistence on propping up unviable Melbourne teams.

They should have had money put aside for this.

In the medium term, the only clubs with a real problem are the aforementioned basketcases. So either let them fold/merge, or continue bailing them out.

Either way, cutting lists is not going to save much money, and will simply fuck up the competition even more.
By definition, the players you cut will be ones on the league minimum, whatever that is after the salary cuts. That's going to be 3/5's of sfa.

It is the ultimate bastard act, since (again by definition) you fuck over the most vulnerable players.

It's fundamentally unmanageable. Since there are going to be players who should go, but have a year to run on their contracts. What then?

Then, just sit back and wait for the class action, alleging restraint of trade, and watch the court throw the whole system out the window.

To make any reasonable difference, you'll have to cut several, and that's going to seriously threaten some lists when injuries hit.
We have not been badly hit, not compared to say 2017, yet recently we had only 6 or 7 players available for a scrimmage. Take those away, and suddenly you're struggling to field a team.

And of course, you're fucking with the future of the league.


I'm an advocate for the AFL using the financial woes resulting from the CV to forge a fundamental change to the competition and make it more financially viable for all the clubs that participate.

Clubs won't merge or relocate so the inevitable solution is to completely scrap the competition and call in all the AFL franchise licences.

The AFL should establish a 12 team competition and invite clubs from around Australia to apply for a licence. It must be stipulated that all prospective clubs come to the AFL with a clear business plan, financial plan and a strategic plan for the next 5-10 years. The submissions must include the club meeting all the obligations imposed upon them by the AFL and must be financially independent. They must also have a contingency fund in the event their financial situation deteriorates. All licences are reviewed every five years and those not meeting their obligations will have their licences suspended and invitations invited from other clubs for the following five years. Those with suspended licences will be provided with an opportunity to sort out their issues otherwise their licence is revoked. Those meeting their obligations are automatically renewed for the next five years.

This way we will have an even 22 games season where all clubs play each other twice (home and away).
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Re: List Reductions

Postby Fat Side on Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:13 am

It seems the senior list will be reduced by two players (38) and the rookie list increased by two players.

We currently have 38 senior listed players including Langdon. We need to clear out three more as we will probably upgrade Harry Edwards. We can move Venables to the rookie list if we choose to hold him so that's a one for one. If Hickey goes, that's another then probably Hutchings and Jetta go to give us three draft picks.
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Re: List Reductions

Postby MrWoollie on Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:48 pm

With Langdon on board, Ah Chee must be a little vulnerable as well.

If we wanted to roll the dice in a compromised draft where stars may be found in the 4th and 5th round, Vardy might go also. NicNat, Williams and Jamieson with a few part timers might be enough.
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Re: List Reductions

Postby Fat Side on Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:36 pm

https://www.afl.com.au/news/524822/new- ... s-revealed

List sizes have been reduced from a maximum of 47 to 44. Cat B rookies must fall within the 44. Minimum list sizes are now 37 which could comprise 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

The salary cap has been reduced from $14.5 million to $13.1 million.

We should now start to see some more delistings.
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Re: List Reductions

Postby Crazy Dazz on Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:07 pm

Fat Side wrote:https://www.afl.com.au/news/524822/new-afl-player-pay-deal-reached-list-sizes-revealed

List sizes have been reduced from a maximum of 47 to 44. Cat B rookies must fall within the 44. Minimum list sizes are now 37 which could comprise 36 senior listed players and one rookie.
The salary cap has been reduced from $14.5 million to $13.1 million.
We should now start to see some more delistings.

So, n the end, a reduction in the senior list of 2.
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Re: List Reductions

Postby MrWoollie on Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:41 pm

So what they come up with is pretty well what has 'leaked' out of AFLHQ for well over a month now. Minus 2 and 10% salary cap cut.
They could have put this out before trade period.

I don't think the list size will affect us, we've got that covered easily.

The salary cap will be either no issue or a big issue depending on how it is to be implemented.
If there is agreement between the AFLPA and the AFL that all contracts and minimum pay deals are to be reduced by 10%, and the AFLPA has had the players agreement to go with that position, then easy.
If each club is to cut 10% salary at their own recognizance, then it could become very tight. We'd have to cut a few of the sub 500k to get there.

Edit - found the details.
Players asked to take 3.5% pay cut of the 9% reduction.
1st year salaries reduced.
Ability to shift money to future years. (hope we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with this one)
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